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That said - I also greatly prefer discussing the reality of how the brain works, so that people who are roleplaying and being less than honest, whether with themselves or others, can potentially learn and stop.

Im ok, i was just adding my two cents, ill try not to keep adding 2 cents more and risk getting on mods bad sides :3

You aren't.

The topic is whether a person who gets a tulpa fast is probably roleplaying or not.

Oh. Actually i do have a comment based on the constant disection on how the brain works

how fast is fast? Hours? Days? a week?

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and what is considered getting a tulpa?

Let's see, I think we were talking about the speed of tulpa creation in relation to the recorded speed of altering patterns of thought/behavior.

I know the answer because of direct personal experience-- which cannot be taken as evidence by impartial observers.

Right.

Well I for one am willing to accept anecdotal evidence

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Enough of it will create a normal curve

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bias or no

Meditation can change your brains structure within a month. And this is a community which is based strongly around using meditation

...I will point out, even roleplaying or mistaking random thoughts for instantaneous tulpas can develop into an actual tulpa... but my concern is moreso that the typical result is less positive.

ok fair enough

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but now you're making a 3D graph

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if you have a chart of time-tulpa sentience, that's fairly simple

@Edou-Chan~ Right. Meditation can certainly alter the way one thinks over time. The problem is when people claim significant changes over the course of... say, a day. Even a week.

The main problem with anecdotes here is they are not independent because of shared cultural influence.

if you add a third dimension of tulpa quality/happiness, that makes it much harder

Oh. Im not arguing a tulpa can be made in a day

@9 Mil + Ika The problem is that self-reported anecdotal evidence is subject to bias on the part of people making the claims.

True

Im just saying a lpt of arguments ive seen you make are based on the brains functionality so i wanted to point that out (edited)

but since we're all biased in some way

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we can interpret it properly

And, while anecdotes may certainly fall into a statistically significant set of data, that data proves that these people believe something on average.

let's say you have scope with two lenses....the light travels through lens one and becomes distorted...but as it travels through lense two, it becomes clear again

Which can be used as very weak evidence in support of it, but popularity does not hold up to solid evidence.

that's what this data is

Not so. Otherwise, the earth would be flat.

not really

If statistical averages of belief comes up against clearly recorded data, the data wins over the beliefs.

the earth as observed from a consistent plane such as the ocean appears to end

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thus suggesting curvature

That is really it.

this is the same

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it's about perspective

If a large mass of people believe they can telepathically float above the ground, they can't float - they just believe that they can.

no, not really

Anecdotes are not reports of people's beliefs. They'd be useful data if the anecdotes had been independent of each other.

what

Ok. But theres no hard scientific data to show tulpas do exsist is there? Thats just this communities belief?

you're creating a massive bias in improper reporting that doesn't exist

@Tulpabug That's true - independently corroborating accounts of the same thing are highly relevant.

@Edou-Chan~ exactly

Corroborating reports of separate instances of a phenomena when people are told about others' reports are highly biased.

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Demonstrably so.

@SkyeNet >annecdotes = bad >lots of annecdotes that match up = good

@Edou-Chan~ There is not direct evidence, no... however, there is other corroborating evidence.

Meme arrows.

I'm just saying, what he's saying makes no sense

@9 Mil + Ika There are many anecdotal claims that homeopathic medication is effective.

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There is data demonstrating that it is entirely placebo.

ok so?

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belief is important

The data wins out over the anecdotes. That is a direct example.

my point exactly

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THE DATA IS THE ANNECDOTES

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lmao

Oh. I thought you were gunna say what the evidence was, not just state it exsists

I don't get what is so hard about this

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@Edou-Chan~ exactly

@9 Mil + Ika There's a basic statistical rule that dependent samples of count N are worth a fraction of N samples depending on how strong the dependence is.

@Edou-Chan~ Apologies. Look up studies about DID - you mentioned studies about meditation allowing altering of the mind.

@Tulpabug I took stats, I know how statistical reliability works

DID as in the split personality-esk thing?

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Disociativw identity disorder?

Yes.

http://nsfconsulting.com.au/the-plural-of-anecdote-data/

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The plural of anecdote is not data

Isnt that one person/ concousness flickering between mind sets?

I believe this explains it more clearly than I easily can.

That's what the doctors think

I believe literally almost anybody could explain it better - we'll read it

But it's unlikely to be the correct hypothesis.

@Edou-Chan~ As mentioned, there aren't direct studies of tulpas (yet), but there is related evidence.

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@9 Mil + Ika Your insults are not appreciated.

...I'm sorry, you said it yourself however

Thats more akin to extreme mood swings or bipolar though, its not multiplicity

...stories, in my view, provide anecdotal evidence. They do not provide data.

Amnesia is a diagnostic requirement. Saying altars are mood swings fall badly afoul of occham's razor.

you've been using evidence and data interchangably

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they're not the same thing

"Anecdotal evidence" < "Data as evidence"

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That is literally what I've been saying.

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Is that clear enough?

...sigh

You have no data

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You have your own anecdotes

@bduddy #Diana# Amazingly, that wasn't what I was pointing out regarding anecdotes.

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I was pointing out the flaws in using anecdotes as a means of 'convincing' people.

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Anecdotes alone, specifically.

what else can you use when only anecdotes exist

I think I'm missing something. Data is a technical term for recorded information.

according to LITERALLY EVERY GUIDE EVER Tulpas are highly personal and subjective

Holy strawmen.

anything subjective is inherently biased

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anything biased cannot be good data (edited)

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therefore, on the subject of tulpas, good data does not exist